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Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« on: April 06, 2007, 03:20:44 PM »
Microsoft Outlook.

Oh what joy this bloated app has brought to me and my IT brethren.

It almost single handedly keeps us employed. Keeping a PC on the desk of employees the world over. Dare say, outlook is THE killer app for most companies on the planet.

For the uninitiated, Outlook is a mash up of Calendar, Tasks, Notes and Email functions. One application that combines all these into a critical point of reference for Joe Schmoe employee.

Outlook and it's back end sibling, Exchange, all but dominate the corporate scene.

My personal quest for many years has been finding a way to break this strangle hold. Do not get me wrong. Outlook is fantastic and I love it. The problem comes with Exchange. This server app is huge and expensive. Not only that, it requires Windows Server. Another expense.

Big companies will easily laugh off the US$3000 or so that a simple Exchange setup may cost them but small companies will cringe.

Hence the need to find an alternative. (As I run and deal with many small companies)

Enter Linux and OSS. (Open Source Software, namely Scalix and Zimbra)

Can't beat them for price: Free.

What's more, now you can't beat them for functionality.

Linux and OSS had long promised to stomp the Exchange/Outlook combo but many of their solutions that I evaluated over the years came up short. Not anymore.

Scalix and Zimbra are now enterprise ready apps that can tackle the tasks Outlook and Exchange handled, with aplomb.

The process was relatively painless.

Step 1) Get Fedora Core 5 (made a trip by my padner dry and snagged the 5 ISO install)

Step 2) Install Fedora Core 5 on a PC. (Anything around 1ghz cpu, 1gig ram, 20gb HD should do the trick)

Step 3) Install and configure Scalix or Zimbra.

Voila.

There you have it. Entire process should take about two hours and you'll be rewarded with a corporate strenth email and collaboration solution.

Sounds too good to be true doesn't it? Well stop rubbing your eyes. This stuff is for real.

What's more, it does not take a unix expert to pull it off. I'm a relative noob at this and got both apps up and running without much fuss.

There is one caveat (isn't there always??)

You practically do away with outlook. Both apps offer a webclient that rivals outlook in look and functionality.

Sounds good you might say initially. No Outlook to install, less money to spend, less issues to support, etc...

While all that is true...without Outlook your users are dependant on the server for all their needs. If it goes down, there is nothing to fall back on. No cached data, nada. That also means problems for laptop users that would traditionall download their mail/schedule unto their PC and run off.

They do offer solutions for this. Scalix has a free outlook connector. This little app would allow your regular Outlook client to connect to the Scalix server. Unfortunately it did not work for me. Instead it just ate 100% of my cpu cycles. Some work still required obviously.

Zimbra was not so kind. You have to pay for a commercial version to get their Outlook connector functionality. As a result, I could not test that aspect of the product.

Those niggling negatives aside, these are two awesome options for small companies needing collaboration on a budget.

Zimbra get's my vote as it was easier to install and it more readily integrates with an existing POP mail setup. Typical at small offices.

Feel free to read the hype at their respective websites:

http://www.scalix.com/

http://www.zimbra.com/




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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2007, 06:08:37 PM »
um...if Evolution can connect, you have the frontend part solved.  and Evolution can do the donload to local machines bit.
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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2007, 06:10:25 PM »
an evolution is part of Gnome.

plus Thunderbird/Lightning if yuh needs not so strong.
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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2007, 07:51:00 PM »
unfortunately zimbra does not allow evolution to connect natively apart from pop/imap.

That means no calendaring and contacts.

To get Evolution to play nice with Zimbra you need to get this plug in.

http://www.zimbra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7710

It's only just been released in March and is just source code at the moment.

Meaning no luck for windows users.

The future looks bright though. Hopefully by the end of the year there will be a compiled vers and windows port of the connector that will allow Evolution and Zimbra to offer the most complete and robust open source alternative to Exchange/Outlook.

That said, the solution they offer at the moment is still nothing to sneeze at.

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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2007, 08:34:40 PM »
The important question I have is... the 'web client' is it fast? cause Exchange has a web component that I use every now and again and even more importantly is SSL. Is it fast, is it secure, is it similar to exchange web services and how does this platform handle mailboxes in the thousands with gigs and terabytes of information? yuh know that ever so annoying problem MS has with mailboxes that are too large....

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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2007, 05:01:02 AM »
honestly from what I've read, they scale very well.

Now that said, don't expect blood from stone.

A 1ghz, 1gig ram, 20gb IDE hdd installation of scalix won't be spitting out terrabytes of mail lickety split across a network serving thousands of users.

You'd need to have a beefy server with dual core processor, tons of ram, raid, gigabit ethernet etc...

Also, you'd do clustering for high availability for such a setup, which is supported.

The caveat here is once you're looking to touch on that enterprise level performance and features, you'd likely have to spring for commercial versions.

The free ones are best for small businesses that top out at say 25 employees. (My target audience for these apps)

The webmail interface is fast and surprisingly userfriendly. It compares favourably with OWA (Outlook Web Access) that most of us would have been exposed too.

You can test drive it on the Zimbra website. They have a hosted demo page.

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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2007, 07:42:31 AM »
plus I sure it have VM versions of those things.
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Re: Linux and OSS takes on Microsoft and Exchange Round 2 Fight
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 08:02:47 AM »
Yeah, a VM implementation would be good as it would allow you to move from server to server without issue. Upgrading your hardware seemlessly as and when needed. Could also consolidate services on one box.

The downside is there have been reported performance issues with zimbra/scalix on VM and it is not recommended aside from testing and sandbox usage.

I run ubuntu in vm for the pdc at HQ but because of this recommendation the Zimbra was installed on a native fedora core 5 box.

I'm sure it's just a kink that they will work out in due course as a VM friendly collaboration suite really would be sweet. (no pun intended)

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