People tend to take the whole church and state thing way too seriously IMO, I think the main reason why it's a big deal in the US is that the US were founded on the principles of the 10 commandments and "christian" values, hence the reason In God We Trust. In the end that didn't stop slavery or racial tension from continuing for so long. I still lol @ people who jump on Hinn case.Remember the "don't say Amen" at the end of the IRO prayer back in school ?
i.e. a moral structure can be taught without claiming that if you don't live according to it, you'll burn in hell/be reincarnated as a cockroach
i don't believe religion and morality are mutually exclusive, nor are they one and the same...i.e. a moral structure can be taught without claiming that if you don't live according to it, you'll burn in hell/be reincarnated as a cockroach
i think apart from laws that prevent anarchy ( don't kill anyone, don't steal, and taxes,etc) the government should stay out of my business..you don't need the government to raise your child.... tha's a cop-out
Quote from: disciple on February 28, 2007, 03:31:27 PMi think apart from laws that prevent anarchy ( don't kill anyone, don't steal, and taxes,etc) the government should stay out of my business..you don't need the government to raise your child.... tha's a cop-outMy question to this is, without some level of monitoring or some legislation to allow the state to intervene in a family (eg. Child wellfare) what happens when parents a lvl mcs abusing kids in the closet? The Gov may not need to raise your child but who else will put UR @$$ in prison for abusing ur kids if not the gov?
Quote from: W1nTry on February 28, 2007, 10:02:44 PMQuote from: disciple on February 28, 2007, 03:31:27 PMi think apart from laws that prevent anarchy ( don't kill anyone, don't steal, and taxes,etc) the government should stay out of my business..you don't need the government to raise your child.... tha's a cop-outMy question to this is, without some level of monitoring or some legislation to allow the state to intervene in a family (eg. Child wellfare) what happens when parents a lvl mcs abusing kids in the closet? The Gov may not need to raise your child but who else will put UR @$$ in prison for abusing ur kids if not the gov?Yes...but this is the general morality of social conciousness. As much as he didn't mention that I'm certain this was implied. His examples were alluding to the idea that once you're not -overtly- hurting anyone physically or psychologically the government needs to back the hell up. Libertarianism, so to speak.